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Steve Sailer's avatar

In the United States since 2018 according the CDC's WONDER database of causes of death, 15-34 year old black males were 23 times as likely to die by homicide as 15-34 year old white males. They were about 40 times as likely to die by homicide as Asian males and, perhaps most interestingly, about 5 times as likely to die by homicide as Hispanics, who are fairly comparable in income and education.

Those are some amazing racial differences that can't be honestly adjusted away by your techniques.

Andy Woollard's avatar

This is really just counterfactual piffle. Whether figures have been “normalised” for age or sex is beside the point. In the real world, if a defined cohort is committing certain crimes at a higher rate than the general population, that has real-world consequences.

Pointing out that the cohort contains no women, children or elderly people doesn’t make those consequences disappear. Nor does it matter that the cohort isn’t a representative sample of the population as a whole — no one serious is claiming that every individual within it is more likely to be a criminal.

The issue isn’t moral judgement about individuals; it’s outcomes. If crimes are occurring at a higher rate than baseline, that is simply a statement of fact. Explaining why that rate is higher does not negate the fact that it is higher.

Dismissing the problem with statistical caveats may feel virtuous, but it is irrelevant to the practical question society is dealing with. You can acknowledge over-representation without asserting collective guilt. Conflating the two is precisely how this debate gets muddied.

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